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#9786598 Jul 23, 2014 at 11:18 PM
Commander
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For reasons more or less obvious I will be heading off the dragon Lore for our wiki. I won't write or make anything official until I have a definite number of people who feel they have something they want to add. My own Lore so far only concerns Dragon resurrection. Everything else still needs to be researched or completely made up.
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#9788172 Jul 24, 2014 at 08:28 AM
Commander
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I can join in still. o/

...BUT WHERE ARE THE CUPCAKES? >:(
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#9819937 Jul 31, 2014 at 11:16 PM
Commander
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For those of you who clicked "Me! o/" I sincerely hope you plan to actually add something to the Lore and not just critique whatever I write. I'm looking for ideas and insight not structural criticism and complaints. Well, maybe both.

I'll wait a week for more people to consider this topic and join the cause. Thst way I don't have to hear it from anyone that I didn't give enough time. I'll be advertising in Guild chat and I suggest some officers do the same while they're online since I can't do it from work.
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#9826158 Aug 02, 2014 at 12:58 PM
Acolyte
169 Posts
Hehehehe... I hope no one clicked the Me! o/ with a private vote, I almost did it! :)

Eventhough in a kind of hiatus, I will think quite some, and post a nice post with suggestions. ^.^
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#9833827 Aug 04, 2014 at 02:25 PM
Acolyte
169 Posts
Ok, for the dragon question after some thought, I have some suggestions.

Before I speak about what I suggest, I want to say what I have decided to take out off the board, and why.

First of all. Dragons are Gods: Eventhough I use in my world the Dragons as something superior than Gods, I believe that in Tera this does not apply. Saleron, who is kind of a father of dragons and stuff, is a God, and imprisoned as well. So, his children, the dragons, cannot be Gods, and of course cannot be superior than Gods.

Second. Dragons are natural elements: As said before, I do not believe that the dragons are natural elements by themselves, because this should mean that they should precede everything created. Dragons can be influenced by natural elements, dragons can express some natural elements, but they are not natural elements by themselves.

Third. Eventhough the Dragon (as seen in the beautiful Excalibur movie of 1981) of Merlin is really attractive, an all encompassing natural druidic superior entity, I believe is again far from the Tera lore and mindset.

Where now this take us?

Surely Dragons are extremely beautiful creatures, powerful and proud. They deserve a place at the top of the chain, just under the Gods. I believe, that Dragons should be just between the Gods and the Giants. I do believe that they should be extremely intelligent beings, and have their own language, and their own arts.

One of my suggestions would be that the Dragons can be the tutors of magic and arts to the races under them, namely giants, and even elves, barakas, men. As the creatures of apex intellectuality, and bestiality at the same time, I believe that they should take their own throne in the world as the mediums between gods and the creatures of the mortal realms. Something like prometheus or something.


My second suggestion would be something quite opposite, but also attractive. That the dragons once were creatures of matter, but something terrible happened. Because of that, they withdrew themselves into the spirit realm. They could be the gatekeepers and spirits that empower shamans, and mystics that are drawing power from gates from the spirit realm that the dragons are guarding, regulating the spiritual power that goes to the mortal realm.


The third suggestion, is that they withdrew to the realm of dreams. Something closer to being into a realm of myth and legend, where creatures more dreamlike and chaotic exist. The dragons there are in their full power, and they are the gods of such a place. Being gods of dreams, emotions and legends, they give power to fey creatures, that actually are in between the world of dreams and legend and the mortal realm, as gateways of all the energy that lies in the common unconsciousness of the dream realm.

What do you think? Should I elaborate more in one of those suggestions, or do you think that none is good?
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#9844627 Aug 06, 2014 at 09:49 PM
Commander
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These are all poetically beautiful ideas of how dragons should be in mythology but sadly based on what I've seen in game dragons/ dracoloths aren't that highly regarded. They are outwardly primal and relentless. The npc versions you see are subdued and tamed versions (travel mounts in kaiator, the dragon in Allemantheia, and another on some other map. This kind of shows how dragons are not top tier in regards to social hierarchy.

The way I have envisioned them so far is that they cannot produce humanoid language as they don't have the vocal chords for it. They can speak other races languages either by learning from the race directly, from another Dragon, or by consuming someone for the purpose of resurrection and therefore gaining all of the knowledge they learn over their life time. Knowing this, it is possible to learn about any lost languages by speaking to an old Dragon or even a young one that was taught by one of the older ones.

I also envisioned dragons as not having a written language nor do they use runic magic or anything that involves letters. Not having a written language makes them more primal in the eyes of other... What's the word. ... distinguished races. That way they are still considered animals by any of the humanoid races even if they can speak .(telepathically only)

I'm thinking about their life span too. Somewhere between 500 to 1000 years. Resurrecting does not reset nor increase this number. The older they are the stronger they get even at a bitter old age. Maneuverability will be hindered but their magic will be as strong as ever until their last breath.

Just as their are primitive and refined versions of other races the dragons are the same. While most remain violent and refuse to learn anything from humanoids many other dracoloths and dragons decided to adapt with the environment learning and growing along with the other races. They gave themselves names and shared the knowledge gained through resurrection creating a divide in Dragon culture. Eventually they started clans and elected leaders further pushing along their development in history. Despite all of this knowledge they still stay true to their original lifestyle being mostly aggressive creatures of instinct yet still influenced by their new found humanity. There are still yet other dragons that someday wish to live alongside the rest of the other races in civil harmony. This will be difficult since Dragon self resurrection involves eating/ putting its soul inside of innocent babies cursing them with pain for the rest of their lives until the dragon soul takes over and becomes a dragon again.

Details of Dragon resurrection are on vielfos computer since I never write it down. It's interesting to say the least.
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#9846826 Aug 07, 2014 at 08:28 AM
Guild Master
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I just wonder why anyone would want to resurrect and for what purposes if it does not add or influence ones lifespan in any way? That sounds just like needless work to say the least. If you believe in evolution, that would not make any sense in survival of the fittest perspective either.

Other than that I would maybe have to lean to Blu's side more than on Nemmy poetic interpretation. IF dragons would have been on top of the food chain in culturally and in power, there would have surely been more emphasis on their kind in the existing lore. Oh my... we don't have any lore to speak of about them so its a tug-of-war between the two schools at this point. Although I have to say that the dragons hardly ever speak. I should run Saleron's Sky Garden and see if the dragon bosses there speak, as I have a faint memory that they do.
The wind is rising. We must try and live!
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#9847998 Aug 07, 2014 at 03:33 PM
Commander
230 Posts
#9846826 Sinesia wrote:

I just wonder why anyone would want to resurrect and for what purposes



Your question kind of answers itself Sinesia. If you were promised a thousand years of life but was killed at two hundred wouldn't you want to live again to finish of that time? It also, in my eyes, makes the best evolutionary sense as it allows dragons more time to share all the knowledge they gain therefor furthering their cause to adapt to the world. On the same side or also keeps the war mongering types and anti humanoid types alive longer too.

Having them absorb their hosts life spans to live longer would be lovely but also potentially op in Lore critics eyes. Like those op Elin. It would also make them target and constantly 'resurrect' through hosts and that would detriment the humanoid population while also make dragons a high level target. The only thing keeping the dragons in check then would be the fact resurrection could range anywhere between 10- 100 years depending on the dragons age at death and how fast the mana gatherer harvests.

I'm deciding on a starter age to be able to perform this ritual. Could be 5 10 or 15 + years. That's a decision to be made together. Don't be afraid to be the enemy/bad guy in these discussions. It helps weed out the bad ideas and keep logic in check.
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#9848283 Aug 07, 2014 at 04:52 PM
Guild Master
395 Posts
#9847998 Ungphakorn wrote:

#9846826 Sinesia wrote:

I just wonder why anyone would want to resurrect and for what purposes



Your question kind of answers itself Sinesia. If you were promised a thousand years of life but was killed at two hundred wouldn't you want to live again to finish of that time? It also, in my eyes, makes the best evolutionary sense as it allows dragons more time to share all the knowledge they gain therefor furthering their cause to adapt to the world. On the same side or also keeps the war mongering types and anti humanoid types alive longer too.

If you are killed, you hardly can resurrect easily, that has been already went over other thread about this issue. So there is no feasible way for Dragons to have insurance in case knight comes and slays them, meaning the only way they would use "resurrection" is due to falling in with some bad case of killer dragon flu I guess. That just seems all kinds of odd to me.
The wind is rising. We must try and live!
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#9848703 Aug 07, 2014 at 06:31 PM
Commander
230 Posts
Talk to Vielfo. He has my notes. Not every Dragon is guaranteed a resurrection. It does require certain circumstances.
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#9848891 Aug 07, 2014 at 07:14 PM · Edited 3 years ago
Commander
230 Posts
#9848283 Sinesia wrote:


If you are killed, you hardly can resurrect easily, that has been already went over other thread about this issu



On top of those notes Vielfo has, I just said it takes between 10- 100 years. Does that sound easy to you? :p
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#9851130 Aug 08, 2014 at 07:17 AM · Edited 3 years ago
Commander
53 Posts
Hai hai, Vielfo-kun reporting for duty Sin-san. *strikes pose*

Underneath this you will find Ung's notes on dragons that he sent me. But before you go there i will give you the major points of this wall of text! Also NOTHING is final, as these are just notes, to get you the basic idea behind this whole schmocho dragon thing

Dragons use a spell to transfer their soul into a host, the host is usually a child, the host needs to be close the dragon when he/she dies and the spell must be prepared. Most dragons are pricks so they don't think they will ever be killed, there are however differences.

The dragon soul transfered is weakened and cannot gather dragon magic as fast. If the host is too weak the host dies the dragon dies, if the host is too strong the dragon gets absorbed and dies,thus why the dragons use infants.


After a while the dragon can create 2 servant like creatures , the magic gatherer and the guardian, by turning animals into humanoids with dragon magic. their roles are self explanatory.


The dragon slowly turns the body of the host into dragon-compatible parts giving them aditional trats, the process is slow and demanding of dragon magic, for example. Dragon lungs extra oxygen capacity , dragon brain ability to understand dragon language and stuffsss.

Ok i am so so tired writting this but i HAD to write something as i promised Ung i would. These are all notes nothing is final and yadadayadada

Finally for my own opinion. About evolution and survival instricts. Evolution bases itself on the ability of the species to pass down their genes, the surviving genes go into the next generation. Considering every dragon will want to pass down their genes they would also want to live long enough to do it, thus living longer= more chances to have dragon naughty times thus passing down genes, i would say seeking out a host is more or less survival instict but some dragons are too blinded by pride to do this. A knight killing them would result in the soul going to the knight unless they have another host nearby, one they have PREPARED. If the soul goes to the knight it will most likely get absorbed and destroyed , thus why not all dragons simply ressurect.

In thoys case, the dragon was good natured and a helped of humanity from time to time, he literally asked her to become his host and she said yes allowing his soul to reight freely into her body thus not absorbing him.

I am gonna hit post now cause i am so very very tired...




[Ung's Notes]

Dragons/ Dracoloths are the same. Some are more special than others. There are some 'named' dragons on the lore wiki we have but it just shows a few elemental dragons with fancy names but no info. They get stronger as they get older, like vampires. They have the ability to self resurrect via a special spell like with Ung but it requires planning ahead and most dragons are too stuck up keep a constant supply of fresh out of the oven babies in their stomaches. The baby doesn't have to be in the dragons body, just near by. When the dragon dies its soul is transferred to the new host in a severely weakened state. If a dragon were to attempt to do this to a teen or adult their own soul would overpower and devour the weakened dragons soul and it would have a high chance of being consumed by the host. Not every baby can handle having a dragon soul so the dragon can sense if the potential host will be strong enough to house it, even if just barely. If the child dies due to being unable to handle the dragon curse the dragon dies too. So whatever magic the dragon has left is spent trying to keep the host alive. Logically, as long as the host has a weak mind and soul it can be inhabited (emo, coma victim, etc) As the host grows it very slowly adapts to having a dragon soul by turning certain parts of its body into dragon like qualities. Depending on the dragons element the host baby will be 'cursed' differently that curse best being left up to the persons imagination. The success of this transference spell depends totally on the hopes that whoever kills the dragon finds the child and cares for it. If teh dragon gets blown up, woopsies.

So far I've stuck to the basic elements because if I go into special elements It would conflict with lore as that specific type of dragon may be more well known or seem god like. Not that it can't be integrated. Also, lightning goes hand in hand with fire.

When a dragon soul has hosted a body long enough and passively gathered enough strength it is able to seperate with part of its soul and create a 'slave' to gather magic to speed up its recovery aka MyHoney. Further down the line when it has gathered enough magic it can create a 'defense slave' that protects the dragon souls host from danger aka 'Pachelbel' the defensive slave does not have a dragon soul. For the most part the slaves have free will but upon creation they are imprinted with a subliminal agenda to perform a certain task above all else aka gather magic or protect me.

After so many years of slowly transforming the hosts body into dragon like qualities and parts the soul can produce its own magic which also means the host can start using dragon magic. The host doesn't have to specialize in the dragons element type of magic.

Some day the dragon will mega consume the hosts magic, the magic gatherer's stored magic, as well as the hosts body and return to its original dragon like body. The slaves will return to how they were before they were transformed. oocly MyHoney looks liek an Elin but I can't help that. But in my mind and in her description her head is smaller and she doesn't have those child bearing hips.

But that just explains Ungs story. As for basic dragon history, nothing special. They don't have temples or civilizations. There are good and bad and passive. They're like....dolphins. But scaley.
I also admire and love you Vielfo, lets make babies...

Oh my how did that get in here?
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#9885558 Aug 16, 2014 at 03:55 PM
Commander
230 Posts
I've edited some of that since I told him so some of it isn't solid or need tweaking. Now Where's dat Nemmy?
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#9904016 Aug 20, 2014 at 06:27 PM
Acolyte
169 Posts
Dat Nemmy... Lurks undeadly around!
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#13292975 Jun 11, 2017 at 01:29 AM
Adept
9 Posts
Due to the questions about Dragon lore was mentioned in guild chat earlier today, I tried to look around for official lore from the game itself. So far, I've only found this snippet from an NPC in Darkquaver Woods:

"Dracoloths are similar to dragons, but diverge sharply from them. No one really knows why. What we do know is they're vicious, powerful, and eager to inflict pain. We can't let them stay."


Another small, but possibly pointless bit is that Amani has the "Blood of Dragons" racial trait, suggesting that Amarun must have used dragons in some manner in making the Amani.


There is also the town called Dragonfall, but I haven't been able to figure out why it's called that, from talking to NPCs around the town. They only speak of Sylvanoth and Sikander.
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